The following is an interaction between myself and two others with an evolutionist. I am not posting this because I am some sort of great debater. I'm not posting this to embarrass the evolutionist and have even substituted his name with Evolutionist or______. I am posting this for two purposes. That God be glorified and that people can see that you don't have to believe the lie that is evolution. As you can see in the following conversation, zero evidence has been provided for the case of evolution. This is always the case because there is no evidence anywhere for macro-evolution(species changing into another species). You will always see transnational forms as some artist's rendering of the supposed beast. Please read this and share with others. Soli Deo Gloria!! Virg.
(Update, Evolutionist came back with supposed evidence, so to be fair I've added the rest of that conversation)
Virgil Patterson
i think its absurd that everyone pulls the hate card when you dont agree or believe in something. im against throwing plugged in toasters in the bathtub yet i dont hate toasters or toast. listen ______, when mutations happen in every case
information is lost, not gained. picture a xerox copy of something. you can make a million copies and you will still only have the original information provided by someone's mind, their creation. out of the million say the words on 400 of the copies blur or distort. thats a mutation but no information is gained, only lost. the bible says that God created the universe and everything in it and that animals and humans give forth their own kind and that is what we still see today. every hippo gave birth to a hippo today. every zebra a zebra. every dog a dog. every human a human and so on. the bible is 100% accurate in all it says so believe this that there is a day on which God will judge the world in righteousness. every lie, theft, hateful thought, lustful look, and blasphemy will come into account. the only way to stand before God innocent on that day and avoid Hell is to repent and trust in Christ alone for salvation. He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. by His wounds you have been healed. God bless. virg. http://www.youtube.com/
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Virgil Patterson no
it means evolution is false. watch the videos man. you don't have to
believe the lie. rest assured every atheistic evolutionist who is a dog
breeder for a living expects litters of puppies. they count on God's
order in the universe for their living ;)
Virgil Patterson
George
Wald, an evolutionist, states, "When it comes to the origin of life
there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation.
There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred
years ago, but that lea
ds us to only one
other conclusion, that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that
on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the
impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance!"
Virgil Patterson since
death would be the culling tool of evolution meaning that death is the
means of which it happens but there was no death before the fall of man
in the garden, biblically evolution and believing in the God of the
bible doesnt work. however i was being specific in the group i was
talking about. you broadened it :)
Evolutionist:
That's
the other issue I have, is that some people have the conception that
the Bible is 100% true and needs to be followed word for word. One
problem is god didn't come down and write the thing, man did. And I'm
not arguing that it wasn't
divinely
inspired, but what I'm saying is that it inherited all the
improfections that exist in man. That's why there's so many versions,
the people that wrote it put their own views and desiseres in there. You
have to interperate the spirit of it, and filter out the crap. Aside
from that rant, I totally dissegree that evolution does not exist and
that the world was created in 7 days. If anything, even if god really
said that, it was proberly some abstract explanation for something that
the people of that time could in no way comprehend.
“To
suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
aberration, could have been formed by
natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.” - Charles Darwin
“Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.” - Charles Darwin
“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down” - Charles Darwin (Origin of Species)
“Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.” - Charles Darwin
“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down” - Charles Darwin (Origin of Species)
Original Poster:
Virgil Patterson
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.
2 Peter 1:21
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.
2 Peter 1:21
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
If you write your rent check and the bank refuses it and says you didnt
write that, your pen did, you would be pretty upset. God used men to
convey His Word to us. they were His instruments. all the translations
say the same thing _______. they say that we have sinned and fallen
short of Gods glory. They say that hell is the punishment for those
sins. the command they all cry to sinners is to repent and believe the
gospel. dont forget as far as creation goes, we still use the 7 day
week outlined in God's word today. the word for day in genesis is the
hebrew word yom. genesis says there was morning and evening for each of
the days as well. the word yom was the same word used in joshua to
describe how long the isrealites were to march around jericho yet no one
disputes that as an amount of time we cant comprehend or think that
joshua marched for 7 million years and then shouted. its sounds like if
you count yourself a christian ______, you need to be in the Word daily
and under better teaching. if you are not a believer, today is the day
of salvation. the truth, Jesus, will set you free! Acts 4:12 and there
is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven
given among men by which we must be saved!! God bless, virg.
Evolutionist: No
idea, I'm just saying I disagree with the whole anti-evolution thing.
Then religion got dragged in like it always does. So I decided to make a
point that evolution does not mean anti-religion.
Virgil Patterson
I
can guarantee you that people that did misguided things in the name of
god ended up in hell. Not that this convo is going anywhere. Its really
not even the point I was trying to make. Live a good life, be kind to
people even if you dont like them, those are the things I can agree on.
_______,no one wants you to be religious. i eat fruity pebbles religiously.
but seriously if you died today would you go to heaven or hell? God
offers you a way in Jesus Christ, who was fully God and fully man, to be
saved from your sins.
aside from the
eternal consequences of carrying your own sin into eternity, repenting
and trusting in Christ restores your fellowship with God while you are
here on earth thereby allowing you to achieve the chief end of man. to
glorify God and enjoy Him forever!! you make the call. i posted a
quote from an evolutionist who still held to his guns in spite of the
fact he admitted it was impossible. you dont want to be that guy.
being and evolutionist requires more faith than i have. its not
scientific because you cant see it or duplicate it. every transitional
form is a drawing. its amazing too that people will blindly follow
books written by evolutionists who i can only presume are men yet their
biggest objection to the bible was that it was written by men lol.
listen, im not gonna go on an on ______. there's more than enough
proof on this thread to overcome your presuppositions. For what can be
known about God is plain to them because God has shown it to them.
Romans 1:19 will be praying for you.
Evolutionist:
My
two cents into this. Science and Faith does not need to be separated.
Science will never destroy God, so why bother? God created it all,
including science :) Science is our feeble attempts as men to define
what God has done for us an
d all around
us. Sadly our state of science is no where as concise as we'd like it
to be. I read a article recently about a scientist that did a study on
scientists and found that approximately 60% of the time experiments in a
controlled environment typically did not reproduce the results expected
or theorized by the scientists. That said, I don't recall the scope or
the target sciences that were used for the study. Take it for a grain
of salt because I also have no reference, sorry :\
Virgil Patterson
Original Poster:
_______, realize that there have been quotes from evolutionists posted here and
they were all from us because they all refute the theory. weve used
scripture and videos and examples. the only thing you have given is
your belief that somethin
g is true. but
there is only one truth. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the
life. No man comes to the Father except by me. You can live a good
life but in the end that will not suffice. all of our best offerings are
like filthy rags to God. please please go back and look at the truth
in love from the 3 people who have tried talking with you here. listen
to charles darwin say that the eye renders his theory "absurd". listen
to evolutionist wald call evolution "impossible" Listen to me tell you
to repent and trust in Christ. Listen to God calling you to salvation
this day my friend.
Lot's
of people did things "in the name of God" that didn't know God...
Hitler for example was one. But on Judgment Day, it will be you and God,
not you and Hitler (or anyone else). You will be accountable for YOUR
sins, nobody else. Jesus
said, "Repent
and believe in the Gospel." If you don't want to join the people in Hell
who did horrible things in the name of God, please do what Jesus said
to do. Living a good life and treating others nicely are great things to
do, but they won't save you from an eternity in the lake of fire.
Darwin stated that evolution is impossible, so if your willing to believe everything he said, believe that.
Evolutionist:
Darwin stated that evolution is impossible, so if your willing to believe everything he said, believe that.
Here is the second part of conversation after the copied and pasted "proofs" of evolution:
1.
The universal genetic code. All cells on Earth, from our white blood
cells, to simple bacteria, to cells in the leaves of trees, are capable
of reading any piece of DNA from any life form on Earth. This is very
strong evidence for a com
mon ancestor from which all life descended.
2. The fossil record. The fossil record shows that the simplest fossils will be found in the oldest rocks, and it can also show a smooth and gradual transition from one form of life to another.
Please watch this video for an excellent demonstration of fossils transitioning from simple life to complex vertebrates.
3. Genetic commonalities. Human beings have approximately 96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in common with cats (source), 80% with cows (source), 75% with mice (source), and so on. This does not prove that we evolved from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common ancestor in the past. And the amount of difference between our genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged.
4. Common traits in embryos. Humans, dogs, snakes, fish, monkeys, eels (and many more life forms) are all considered "chordates" because we belong to the phylum Chordata. One of the features of this phylum is that, as embryos, all these life forms have gill slits, tails, and specific anatomical structures involving the spine. For humans (and other non-fish) the gill slits reform into the bones of the ear and jaw at a later stage in development. But, initially, all chordate embryos strongly resemble each other.
In fact, pig embryos are often dissected in biology classes because of how similar they look to human embryos. These common characteristics could only be possible if all members of the phylum Chordata descended from a common ancestor.
5. Bacterial resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics. This is because of the random nature of mutations.
When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics. In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony where every member is resistant to the antibiotic. This is natural selection in action. The antibiotic is "selecting" for organisms which are resistant, and killing any that are not.
2. The fossil record. The fossil record shows that the simplest fossils will be found in the oldest rocks, and it can also show a smooth and gradual transition from one form of life to another.
Please watch this video for an excellent demonstration of fossils transitioning from simple life to complex vertebrates.
3. Genetic commonalities. Human beings have approximately 96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in common with cats (source), 80% with cows (source), 75% with mice (source), and so on. This does not prove that we evolved from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common ancestor in the past. And the amount of difference between our genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged.
4. Common traits in embryos. Humans, dogs, snakes, fish, monkeys, eels (and many more life forms) are all considered "chordates" because we belong to the phylum Chordata. One of the features of this phylum is that, as embryos, all these life forms have gill slits, tails, and specific anatomical structures involving the spine. For humans (and other non-fish) the gill slits reform into the bones of the ear and jaw at a later stage in development. But, initially, all chordate embryos strongly resemble each other.
In fact, pig embryos are often dissected in biology classes because of how similar they look to human embryos. These common characteristics could only be possible if all members of the phylum Chordata descended from a common ancestor.
5. Bacterial resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics. This is because of the random nature of mutations.
When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics. In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony where every member is resistant to the antibiotic. This is natural selection in action. The antibiotic is "selecting" for organisms which are resistant, and killing any that are not.
Virgil Patterson
1,
4, and 3 are saying virtually the same and can just as easily suggest
that all things had the same source, ie a Creator or Designer who
designed them so close. number 2 The fossil record supports the world
wide flood of the bible. and number 5 is an example of micro evolution. ie, giraffes with
longer necks will live longer than than giraffes with shorter necks in
an area where there are tall trees because its their food and they will in
turn produce baby giraffes( but they are still giraffes) with longer necks. adaptation or changes within a species in not an issue for me at all.
Virgil Patterson and know that you just quoted something written by man, who you believe that when humans write something that, "people that wrote it put their own views and desires in there. You have to interpret the spirit of it, and filter out the crap." The desire of evolutionists is not to repent and humble themselves before God so they have come up with another religion. evolution. filter out their nonsense bro.
I agree with what Poster#3 said, science isn't going to destroy god. Its not out there to replace religion, just explain and make sense of the world we live in. I don't believe the two need to be mutuality exclusive. Here's a thought for you.
Since god is so powerfull, what would prevent him from creating the universe with the big bang, doing so in such a way as to make everything come together as we see now. Almost like playing a billion year game of chess, knowing all the moves from the very start. Now, I'm not saying that's right, but its just something interesting I though of.
Virgil Patterson
Well I already explained why evolution is unbiblical from the fall of man stand point. There was no death before the fall and death is how evolution supposedly works. If man is the highest on the evolution chain it just doesnt work. When God says day I believe He means day. i cant abandon Scripture on page 1 and then have any credibility by the time it gets to the Gospel my friend. Goodnight______ . This is my last post here. you agree with what Poster#3 said but i feel you haven't fully grasped what me or Original Poster have presented you with. i hope and pray that you see the truth ______. Repent and trust in Christ.
Jude 1:3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
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